try to go after, you know, an insanity defense? >> well, you know, the death penalty, again, has not been used at all in colorado. i think one time in the last century, really. so they don't like the death penalty, but again, there's going to be huge public pressure. that's what happens in these cases. i think they're going to go for it, maybe set a precedent that this isn't going to be allowed, to the extent it's some deterrent. i think that, you know, the insanity defense is very difficult. you have to show the person doesn't appreciate what's wrong or what's right. that's a really hard case to prove. john wayne gacey knew what was wrong and right. he covered up the bodies. jeffrey dammer, and those people are crazy under our definition. a legal definition, not so much. >> all right. karen, thank you so much. what's fascinating also is there's such a tight gag order in place. everyone is so eager to know what kind of information authorities have, but right now we're not going to be getting a whole heck of a lot of it. it will be interesting to see the charges. thank you so much.